AdviSD: Learning to Advise Frontier LLMs via Targeted Multi-Turn Self-Distillation

Rishabh Agrawal, Hejie Cui, Shasha Li, Shanchan Wu, Sercan Ö. Arık

Google · University of Southern California

Published September 29, 2026 · on the feed October 1, 2026 · ▲ 10 · arXiv 2609.38142

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A small trainable advisor can steer a frozen language-model executor using natural-language advice. In addition to learning from task rewards, the advisor can use feedback from completed interactions to improve its advice. However, a plausible correction need not change execution, yet learning from such corrections can still affect the advisor's future decisions in other contexts. In a shared-parameter model, we prove that such corrections can limit learning if their targets favor useful advice less strongly than those of other corrections. Keeping them less often than the rest improves the model's eventual performance compared to learning from every correction. Motivated by this, our method, Advisor Self-Distillation (AdviSD), pairs outcome-based reinforcement learning with self-distillation from a feedback-conditioned copy of the advisor selectively. Reflection proposes corrections, and the advisor scores the same recorded executor response with and without its issued advice, using the magnitude of the difference to select decisions for supervision. This approach does not require executor likelihoods or additional executor rollouts. Experiments with Qwen3-8B advisors for Gemini and Claude show that AdviSD outperforms advisor-GRPO by 4.2-6.4 percentage points on BFCL-v3 and by 3.9-5.1 score points on EnvScaler. The trained advisors generalize to out-of-domain tasks and transfer across different executor versions and model families. AdviSD also beats matched-count random selection, supporting the value of its selection rule.

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AdviSD. Learning to Advise Frontier LLMs via Targeted Multi-Turn Self-Distillation. By Rishabh Agrawal and four others, from Google and the University of Southern California. Published on the twenty-ninth of September. It links to a code repository that is no longer there.

Picture a small model that cannot touch a large one, but can talk to it. A small trainable advisor steers a frozen language-model executor using advice written in natural language. It can learn from task rewards, and it can also learn from feedback on interactions that have already finished, using that feedback to improve its advice. There is a catch in the second route. A correction can be perfectly plausible and still not change what the executor does. Learning from such a correction nonetheless shifts the advisor's future decisions in other contexts.

The authors make that worry precise. In a model with shared parameters, they prove that corrections of this kind can limit learning, when their targets favor useful advice less strongly than the targets of other corrections. And keeping them less often than the rest improves the model's eventual performance, compared with learning from every correction indiscriminately.

Advisor Self-Distillation, AdviSD, follows directly from that result. It pairs outcome-based reinforcement learning with self-distillation from a copy of the advisor that is conditioned on feedback. The key word is selectively: not every correction is learned from.

Reflection proposes the corrections. To decide which ones to supervise, the advisor scores the same recorded executor response twice, once with the advice it actually issued and once without it. The size of that difference is what selects decisions for supervision. Because the scoring is done by the advisor on a response already recorded, the approach needs neither the executor's likelihoods nor any additional executor rollouts. The large model stays a black box throughout.

The experiments train Qwen3 advisors with eight billion parameters to advise Gemini and Claude. Against advisor-GRPO, AdviSD wins by between four point two and six point four percentage points on BFCL-v3, and by between three point nine and five point one score points on EnvScaler.

The trained advisors also generalize to tasks outside their training domain, and transfer across different executor versions and across model families. A final control matters for the argument: AdviSD beats a random selection that keeps the same number of corrections. That isolates the selection rule itself, rather than simply learning from fewer examples, as the source of the gain.

The logic runs from a proof to a filter. A correction that would not have changed the executor's behavior is not harmless to learn from, since it reshapes the advisor elsewhere. So the method asks a cheap question of each decision: how much does the advisor's own score of the recorded response move when its advice is taken away? That measured difference, and not the mere plausibility of a correction, decides what the advisor is trained on.

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You train a small model that writes advice to a frozen frontier model acting as an agent. You cannot touch its weights; you can only talk to it. Episode rewards tell you whether a task went well, but not which piece of advice was at fault.

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  1. 1 · The problem ~7 min A small advisor can only talk to a frozen frontier model, and its feedback cannot say which piece of advice actually mattered.
  2. 2 · What came before ~3 min
  3. 3 · The key idea ~9 min Learn corrections selectively, only at decisions where the issued advice visibly changed how the advisor predicts the executor's recorded response.
  4. 4 · Choose your own research ~3 min
  5. 5 · Build the method ~8 min Advise, reflect on finished episodes, score each recorded response with and without the advice, keep large differences, and distill from a feedback-aware copy.
  6. 6 · The experiment ~6 min You’ll guess: On the BFCL-v3 tool-calling benchmark, by at least how many percentage points did AdviSD beat advisor-GRPO?
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